It's pretty simple, if you were born in Canada and live there, you're not an immigrant. Your parents might be. If your grandparents were immigrants but your parents weren't, you're 100% Canadian and skin color isn't part of the equation. I don't know why other commenters are implying that it is.
Because extending the logic on such an idea, all people of North America, and most of the world, are immigrants. 'I always wonder how people can call someone immigrant (and claim they are not) if they are not the mountains and the earth. When the only difference between them and these "immigrants" are one belongs to 3rd millenium CE and the other belongs to 13th millenium BCE immigrant families.'
> Because extending the logic on such an idea, all people of North America, and most of the world, are immigrants.
But isn't that the point?
Does it actually matter where one person is born? Should it?
If your country has a system that "people from outside" want to exploit, then the error lies in your system, not whether the exploiter is internal or external.
The difference of 5 centuries is quite a lot. If your family moved from Germany to French two generations ago, you are not called immigrant nor German either.
Even the people in Europe in the 15th/16th century were immigrants from previous humans in Africa.
Everyone is an immigrant from the first cell that replicated, and began life.
Saying we are all immigrants is just a feel good lie. It's a tactic to try to get everyone on the "pro-immigrant" side.
If you were born in the US or Canada or a citizen by birth, you aren't an immigrant.
Many of our ancestors were immigrants for sure. But not all of our ancestors were immigrants.
Many of our ancestors were invaders, colonizers and settlers. Those aren't immigrants.
Saying we are all immigrants is a political statement. It tries to make us identify with the immigrants and pro-immigrant policies and has the benefit of masking/absolving our invader/colonizer/settler ancestors.
If you were born in the US and you think you are an immigrant, ask yourself "where did I immigrate from"? And that assertion becomes silly. "I was born in ohio". Does that mean I immigrated to the US from Ohio? It doesn't make sense.
> If you were born in the US or Canada or a citizen by birth, you aren't an immigrant.
Yes, may be this should be the ideal definition of a non immigrant US / Canadian, but most of the time people judge you only by color/race in those area
> Many of our ancestors were immigrants for sure. But not all of our ancestors were immigrants.
Yes, true for aboriginals
> Many of our ancestors were invaders, colonizers and settlers. Those aren't immigrants.
Yes, they did all those "cool" things by coming from Europe and "Those aren't immigrants." ?
>Saying we are all immigrants is a political statement. It tries to make us identify with the immigrants and pro-immigrant policies and has the benefit of masking/absolving our invader/colonizer/settler ancestors.
I don't have any of those intentions, in fact i dont care about them at all
> If you were born in the US and you think you are an immigrant, ask yourself "where did I immigrate from"? And that assertion becomes silly. "I was born in ohio". Does that mean I immigrated to the US from Ohio? It doesn't make sense.
> Yes, may be this should be the ideal definition of a non immigrant US / Canadian, but most of the time people judge you only by color/race in those area
Really? What's your point? We are talking about the meaning of the word immigrants. Not racism.
> Yes, true for aboriginals
Not according to people like you. We are all immigrants. Right? Natives came from asia so they are immigrants too. Using your definition.
>Yes, they did all those "cool" things by coming from Europe and "Those aren't immigrants." ?
Did I say "cool" things? My point is that it is the opposite of "cool". My point is that there is a difference between immigrating and invading. Invading/colonizing/settling = bad. It is not immigrating.
> I don't have any of those intentions, in fact i dont care about them at all
Really. Your comment just reeks of agenda.
>This is so stupid
Is it? So lets say john was born in ohio and lived his entire life in ohio. He didn't even visit another state. You are claiming he is an immigrant. Right? So where did he immigrate from?
> Really? What's your point? We are talking about the meaning of the word immigrants. Not racism.
Yes, it is. I was just adding not everyone knows this definition
> Not according to people like you. We are all immigrants. Right? Natives came from asia so they are immigrants too. Using your definition.
Nope, They were the first settlers in those area just like first settlers in Europe, Africa or Asia some 30-40k years ago before they were invaded recently in 15th century and the migration wave started and guys came in 500 years back calling the current bunch immigrants
> Did I say "cool" things? My point is that it is the opposite of "cool". My point is that there is a difference between immigrating and invading. Invading/colonizing/settling = bad. It is not immigrating.
So for example, if now Germany attack Ethiopia, kill those people there are. After 500 years if the native Ethiopeans become 2% who according to you is Ethiopean?
> Nope, They were the first settlers in those area just like first settlers in Europe, Africa or Asia some 30-40k years ago before they were invaded recently in 15th century and the migration wave started and guys came in 500 years back calling the current bunch immigrants
Your comment is a bit confused. So are you saying the europeans who invaded 500 years ago are immigrants or not? Because in your previous comment, you claimed they were.
> So for example, if now Germany attack Ethiopia, kill those people there are. After 500 years if the native Ethiopeans become 2% who according to you is Ethiopean?
The ethiopians are ethiopians. And if the germans created a new state called "Germania", then the colonizers/invaders would be "GERMANIANS". Or something like that.
Just like we have native americans and people of other ethnicities in the US. What's your confusion?
You haven't answered a single question of mine and now you are taking us on a nonsensical tangent.
I asked you, someone is born in ohio. Lives his entire life in ohio. You claim he is an immigrant. Where did he immigrate from.
The fact that you refuse to answer this basic question just means that you aren't interested in discourse but to push your agenda.
