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The people of Ireland have democracy, perhaps they have different views on taxation than you do.

It may come as a surprise to you but some people aren't so greedy as to believe that they are entitled to the fruits of other's labour.



Most Irish citizens had no idea about the extend of this.


I think most Irish people are aware that the primary appeal of the country to multinationals is as a tax-efficient English-speaking common law bridge into the EU, in approximately that order. The specific amounts flowing across the bridge, no, I don't think people are generally aware of the numbers.

But because it is a bridge, we Irish don't really have a strong claim on that money: the revenue was generated somewhere else, and it's going somewhere else, it's just resting in Ireland for a while.

There's a bunch of hypocritical talk from other EU countries criticising Irish tax rates, all the while having lots of carveouts and tax breaks of their own that reduce supposedly high rates to nearly nothing in various deals. For example, France has an effective rate of about 8% on profits for companies in the the CAC40. Luxembourg is much worse, it's practically a tax haven that avoids being listed as such somehow, probably down to location.

In principle I'm in favour of something like the common consolidated corporate tax base. The problem with taxing multinationals comes down to game theory: if there's a common market between countries, there's a race to the bottom in tax rates for hosting multinationals. So there needs to be a pact.


So what you're saying is their corporate tax law wasn't enough of a concern to them to actually read it?


Come on fleitz, are you genuinely suggesting it is the responsibility of every citizen to have read through their tax code?

If you are, are you going to tell us with a straight face that you've read the US'?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Code

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/201...

It's about 3,500 pages long, written in esoteric accountant speak. Considering that in the USA "32 million adults in the U.S. can’t read. That’s 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can’t read," I think it's an unfair burden to place on a population.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/illiteracy-rate_n_...


I do agree that the tax code should be simplified, I would advocate for a flat tax with a high personal deduction and few other deductions. The voters seem to disagree with me and prefer the complicated system currently in place.

It would seem to me that with compulsory education everyone was afforded an opportunity to learn to read and write, if they choose ignorance I would not say it's an unfair burden. I managed to learn to read and write before my compulsory education began. Using this rare and mysterious ability I incurred about a dollar fifty in late fees at the library and became very well educated. I do find most people to be quite ignorant, but I must respect their choice to remain ignorant while surrounded by knowledge.

It's certainly an unfair burden if they were never afforded an opportunity to learn, however, in the United States I think you'd have to agree that if you don't know how to read and write it's a matter of personal choice rather than lack of opportunity.

I don't personally know the tax code as well as I'd like as it's not my area of expertise but I do consult with those much more well versed in it.


>I managed to learn to read and write before my compulsory education began.

>Using this rare and mysterious ability I incurred about a dollar fifty in late fees at the library and became very well educated.

>with compulsory education everyone was afforded an opportunity to learn to read and write,

I have enough respect for your intelligence that to expect if you're here, you're aware of the vast educational chasms between the privileged and unprivileged. Basically, I'm confident you're aware that your experience is not necessarily the norm for every American. With that in mind, I'm curious why you still maintain such high expectations for tax code knowledge, especially considering all the evidence to the contrary of American financial literacy.


> I think it's an unfair burden to place on a population.

If the population is unable to read the code that is used to relieve them of wealth, something is off--in both their own ignorance and in their inability to appoint people they trust to handle that for them.


Given that it's the government's responsibility to educate its populace, wouldn't it then be the government's responsibility in the end?


This was not a law but a secret bespoke areangement.


That seems unsupported by the article, in 2015 Ireland changed its laws, Apple consulted a law firm on advice on how to proceed and sought assurances from the govts involved that it's understanding of the law was correct.

Where is this agreement you speak of?


This is a little off topic but the question will help me parse your posts better.

Is there any situation you can imagine where Apple, or any corporation, could have done anything wrong when it comes to how it pays taxes?


Of course there is, this is what tax evasion is about. There's a decent case to be made that the Apple and Ireland were wrong in Apple following Ireland's tax code, we'll see how the case turns out on appeal.

I would say that when the sovereign is in agreement the payment of taxes that it can't be construed as evasion, however, I'm not super well versed on how much of a sovereign Ireland really is given it's membership in the EU. Perhaps the EU is the real sovereign in this case and Apple has erred in consulting with the Irish government who lacks authority to set tax policy in its territory.


The case has nothing to do with Ireland's authority to set tax policy


The case against Apple is not about Double Irish, is about a secret agreement with Irish Government on how to account the revenue in Ireland


"some people aren't so greedy as to believe that they are entitled to the fruits of other's labour."

There is a distinct and strong sense of unaware irony in this comment.




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