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It might be reasonable to say they shouldn't own individual stocks (of their own selection), but not owning stocks is unreasonable. They get paid well, but not that well.

https://radiotv.house.gov/house-data/salaries

That's several times over median but many of us on this site make that much or more. More reasonable restrictions would be things like requiring them to use a blind trust, to restrict investments to index funds or managed portfolios, or something.



I agree; I don't think it's realistic to tell them not to invest at all. The only real way to preserve your money is to invest it somewhere.

I think if the only thing that they could invest in was total-market index funds (or something similar), that would not have too much of a conflict of interest. They'd have the incentive to make the entire market happy, not just individual stocks, which benefits nearly everyone.

If the only stock that politicians owned was VTI or something similar, I think most people would mostly be fine with that. That would still have problem in terms of the uneven weighting, but it would certainly better than what we have right now.


> The only real way to preserve your money is to invest it somewhere

Don’t tell that to folks planning to retire soon.


Unless they had a 6 month career they likely have still done very well


Doing very well and having your expectations abruptly reset are two different things.


But isn't that a significant conflict of interest if they are public service employees?

If they are truly people-oriented as they oath when they join public service, why allow them to own stock at all?


> If they are truly people-oriented as they oath when they join public service, why allow them to own stock at all?

I take this to mean you think that civil servants and members of the military should also be barred from holding stocks?

> But isn't that a significant conflict of interest if they are public service employees?

There is no inherent conflict of interest in owning stocks. The risk is when they own (especially if they are heavily invested in) individual stocks. Use a blind trust like I mentioned or disallow holding individual stocks if they want to manage their own portfolio, then they still have a vested interest in the economy (how well businesses are doing as proxied by the stock market) but their conflicts are limited or removed.


Should all government employees be banned from owning stock?


So we were meeting with a group of customers in the morning and we wanted to bring doughnuts to the meeting. Unfortunately, one of the customers was NASA, so we couldn't bring doughnuts to the meeting because that would have been too much of a gift/bribe.

The rules for rank and file employees already exist, it's the ones at the top that can flout the rules that are an issue.


https://www.justice.gov/jmd/gifts-and-entertainment#outside

You can bring coffee and donuts, those are even specifically called out:

> Modest items of food and non-alcoholic refreshments, such as soft drinks, coffee and donuts, offered other than as part of a meal;


Good to know! I'm a software engineer not a lawyer and it's been roughly 20 years since this incident.


If it may be involved with or adjacent to the work they are doing, I would say yes.


You gonna give them all a defined benefit pension scheme too because otherwise, how will they save for retirement?


I have no problem with them getting a pension. There are also plenty of other ways to invest your money that aren't putting it right into the stock market. Multiple kinds of bonds, CDs, annuities, etc.


Then we can pay them more, or not and they can take another job instead. Either way, I can't take you seriously.


> Either way, I can't take you seriously.

Why not? I've suggested solutions that let them invest without even being aware of what they're invested in or only minimally (index funds, specific portfolios). This resolves the conflict of interest problem while allowing them to still gain the financial benefits of investing some of their money.


No need for complexity here. Anyone who needs those benefits to accept the position is a poor choice anyhow. Forget them.


Again, how do people here think public servants will live beyond their service to the government?

Or is the idea that if they choose to work for the government, they need to work until they die.


They can just get paid more. Why do I need to repeat myself?




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